Controlled Depression, Palestine and Islamic World

Interview
After all these years, the subject is an Israeli soldier who enters into Al-Aqsa Mosque, uses gas bombs and harshly throws out the Palestinians. On the other side, Israeli Special Forces deployed there seem like an interesting scenario. It is a case that can create problems and is given a great sensitivity, but Israel scratches this case and turns it into the present shape, is that a logical act?
 
Israel has its own strategy. It is not a spontaneous case. How did we get to this point? We should search local conditions, international conditions of Israel and conditions of Palestine. In the process called as Arab Spring, there is a really serious crisis and chaos in the North Africa and the Middle East; Tunisia is into a recovery process; there are also domestic wars and political complications in all of other countries. That is positive for Israel. Everyone who can be a potential threat is being liquidated. We should underline the recent development very well. I personally evaluated the recognization of Palestine by British Parliament, the recognization of Palestine by Sweden, and similar developments have been making Israel highly irritated. I think that these evenements are a state provocation by both taking courage from the situation in which the Region is (because there isn’t anyone to react), and depending on worries that are brought by the developments in the nationalization process of Palestine. It can also be commented as they want to provoke and split out Palestinians, and also to make third Intifada. So, I think they want to go over (as military) the gains of Palestine and bring it approximately 5-10 years back. And that means the regression of Palestine both in its own national scale and in the mean of its international gains. Till today, the main policy of Israel doesn’t change so much even if it maintains the plans with different American presidents in different periods or negotiations. If you look the map of Palestine, its territory has been continuously reduced since 1948; and I think the main reference of Israel is being Palestine in a situation that can not be called as a state by the time. Namely, as for me, even if the solution idea of two-state has been discussed in diplomacy, these are not included in long term real political plans. So, the provocation extent should be first evaluated very well by both countries in the Region and groups and government in Palestine, then they should react according to these evaluations.
 
 
Jerusalem is an important symbol for Christianism, Judaism and Islamism. This is an important symbol; Al-Aqsa Mosque stands as a focus point of discussions in every day, every month; and negative conditions and behaviors can’t be cleared because of the steps taken by Israel ( e.g. moves such as limitation, prohibition of entrance to Al-Aqsa Mosque etc. ) and the pressure of Israel’s limitations on Palestinians. As an ideal, there is a situation that everyone can use their freedom of belief as they wish. And so if it is a rational and logical part, why does Israel sharpen its attitude that is turning into fascism instead of rasping it?
 
Israel has not only provided its national unity but also established its international relationships by making a tension politics till today. After that, it has made the Region unstable and it has blocked the development of countries in the Region. It has manipulated them with visible – invisible tools. And that continuously minimized Palestine and divided it into two pieces. So the territorial integrity disappeared.
 
Al-Aqsa Mosque is a redline for both Palestine and Islamic World. But also the temples in there are a redline for Jewish and Christian World. So, Israel namely Jewish society should respect the redline of Islamic World as all expect a respect for their own redlines. Unfortunately, there isn’t any return of that in the Israeli side. Also, Şaron did the same. They would like to make a start to the wanted provocative process over Al-Aqsa Mosque. So, they do not show any respect to this redline.
 

If we search the processes of Intifada; the beginning of the first Intifada in 1987 broke out with an Israeli vehicle crushing and killing 4 Palestinians and also the second Intifada broke out in 2000 with Şaron who came into the courtyard of Al-Aqsa Mosque. After that, lots of problem and action were developped. Hamas has said that third Intifada is very soon, now. Islamic Jihad has said that third Intifada has begun. El Fetih has preferred to keep the silence now. Did Intifada begin? If it began, which conditions it will bring within? Because there is a case called as a wall of shame intended for abstracting Palestinians in Palestine. In the direction of security policies applied by Israel, there is a case of Palestinian public who can not move as relax as in the first Intifada. I wonder how can the conditions of the third Intifada can be developped?
 
According to the dynamics in Palestine; El Fetih seems like a central government. It is the side who lives international dynamics more intensely, so it acts little more real and political by itself. Namely, the third Intifada can begin but Palestinians should make its content very well with its common concensus. Namely, that shouldn’t be with an excitement and anger as serving to the incitations and provocations. If you have an uncontrolled excitement and anger, you don’t already need an enemy. We have lots of negative examples also in the recent history of Turkey. There should be organized a content planning which controls its anger and excitement for Intifada and calculates national and international equations well. If that is a provocative and stimulating initiative belonging to the Israel as I thought, lots of gains of Palestine can be disappeared in the end of this Intifada. Because there isn’t any other country who can help Palestine seriously in the Region. Islamic World has been dealing with a highly serious matters. Here, Turkey has the highest sound. So, we are all living in a period that local aid, which can reduce the damages to the least, will be limited after we come into Palestine. Israel already knows it, very well.
 

Abbas has a highly serious reaction to Hamas such as “Do not tense the ground, reduce the tension”. On the other hand, Netenyahu blames Hamas by saying as “It encourages the violence”. Also Palestinian people accuse Abbas about being passive. A chain of explanations is a case, here. So, how is the view to this situation in Israeli side? Is there a case about an impression of more reasonable Palestinian leader or a case about qualification seen totally as an enemy?
 
El Fetih is always accepted as more modest. Even if he is not totally known, he has been managing the government and the state. But the rapprochement between El Fetih and Hamas, the studies of founding a mutual government disturbs Israel as much as the recognization of Palestine in the external world. Actually, who benefits to Israel; Hamas or El Fetih? That is also a relatively issue. So, both main groups should develop a plan, a project by analyzing the possible support well from the Region, Islamic world and the West who observe the real policy. So, the case of moving them together is highly disturbing for Israel, but which one is more significant for Israel? That is an another relatively issue, it can change according to the managed process at that moment.
 
 

Obama has some explanations like “both sides doesn’t have any political willpower to wish peace in the direction of peace”. So in the reached situation, the third Intifada is in front of us. When we observe the actions and responses of the Israeli side, is the peace disabled?
 
Israel isn’t a state moving in its own territorial integrity. Having a nuclear power and nuclear weapon is already a highly dissuasive factor in the Region. Both Israel and world leaders know that very well. If it could want to be a state by resting in its own territory borders, that peace would be done in lots of time. So, if you take into account the developments in the North of Syria and Iraq in Lebanon; even the developments affecting us, it is obvious that Israel has a wish of an expansion. So, I don’t think that there will be an eternal peace. I don’t say that as an example of pessimism or a highly sharp view, but my experiences and impressions make me tell that. In addition, I question myself why does Israel want a peace when the Region is highly weak about supporting Palestine. Whatever Israel’s ideal, long term and middle term plan is, that can be discussed. It has been applying a controlled depression policy by itself; it has been sometimes reducing and increasing the tension, and it has always gained a distance for itself. So, it is a process that should be analyzed well.
 
 
Recent evenements coincided the death anniversary of Yaser Arafat. Throughout the generations there is a situation of non-stop conflict. For example, more than 30 thousand kids were arrested and tortured in the second Intifada. There is bitter statistics about the second Intifada; there were 10 thousand kids under 10 years old who were tortured. If the third Intifada breaks out and similar situation happens for the kids and Palestine, and they are tortured by the violence policy; what kind of picture can be existed?
 
If there will be a serious international public pressure, he will make the similar events. According to him, everyone who can hold a stone is a target. Being an adult, being over a certain age according to international standards are not a scale for Israel. As long as such risks like street events, resistances, conflicts happen; the risk of facing such situations by kids and the risk of dying in bombardment by civil people in Palestine will continue. That risk will increase if the third Intifada begins.
 
 
We talked about Iraq and Syria; the situation is highly complicated in Jordan; the North Africa is covered by the dust and smoke; Egypt is already in a known situation. While countries in the Region are in such a situation and a new violent attack was experienced in Gaza; now, I would like to analyse especially the privacy of Egypt: even its efforts about finding a mutual way between two sides by closing the gates of Gaza and hosting the negotiations in Cairo seem like a very hypocrite attitude in diplomatical way. While the sound of Turkey has been raising in the Region, why do Islamic countries stay so passive?
 
You should be strong to establish the justice. Power and Justice… The problem of Islamic world is being unable to reach the power to establish the justice and also being its present power under the serious risk. How did the Region become into this situation? We also should make a self-criticism seriously as an Islamic world and a country in the Region.
 
Could we read what Arab Spring means according to its own aims and according to global aims? In the Region, Egypt, Iran and Turkey should develop a serious initiative. These are three important countries in the Region… Three of them have their own different hinterlands. As long as Egypt, Iran and Turkey don’t develop serious initiatives about the solution of these matters; as for me, there won’t be any improvement.
 
In Egypt, there is a person who came into the management by a coup and then took a mission as a President. Even it is chosen, there is a military, authoritative management. And there is the United States of America who recognizes and supports relatively that management. Also financial situations of Egypt are not very well, it has serious matters. So, it keeps on without taking any serious load by itself. Then the issue of Palestine moves to the back.
 
 
The toughest sound in El Fetih was belonged to Nervan Bargudi. Barbudi was arrested during the second Intifada, and is in the jail since 2002. In his call, he invites Palestinians to the armed struggle. Till today, there hasn’t been any explanation in this direction. If there is an occupying, combatant attitude in El Fetih, we can reach to the point said by Abbas? Does the situation reach to the point of “Also Abbas would like to drag the Region into a religion war”?
 
What the conflicts will turn is not clear but the situation of Palestinians is certain unless countries of the Region are involved, and it is impossible for them to compete in military way. It is early to say that the present situation will turn into a local war, but that can be a diplomatical attack of El Fetih according to itself. While Abbas states modest points above, it is possible for them to make someone say radical points below as a protocol. But, Palestinians also don’t have a capacity except distrupting morale, causing little losses and creating disturbance unless countries of the Region are involved.
 

In the beginning of 90s, there were conspiracy theories as “Israel has been working on a weapon which can clear off the gene of Arab”.There were generated such imaginative theories including violent policies of Israel. By the time, we have learnt that there is not any necessity to such theories and fantastic weapons; Israel has been already doing whatever it wants. It has been using Gaza as an open-air test area. Just as a test area in which the quality of their generated weapons is proved. Now, it has been in a situation which it has created a dirty battlefield that prepares a ground for its own weapon trade. In such an atmosphere, how rational thing to end Hamas? If Hamas ends, who will be there to attack, where will they try their weapons?
 
The work of weapon test is a relatively issue, somehow there can be found a place for it. It isn’t an issue which such a country as Israel can not find a solution, but as I said before, the issues of Palestine, Hamas and Gaza are cases spreaded out over the time. It is impossible suddenly to enter and clear off in the present world balances. There is a process which forces to make smaller, to make a pressure, to make run away and to make immigrate by spreading time. Gaza is already an open-air jail. There are two countries who generate a qualified products without giving a great budgets in the defense industry and who are efficient in the world; one of them is Sweden and another is Israel. So, these countries won’t be in a hard situation to find themselves a place for the “test”.
 

( Süleyman ŞENSOY, Chairman of TASAM | Interview | TRT Turk "Haber Ajandası" Programme | 15.11.2014 )


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